Mitsubishi MD crosses Simpson Desert in Outlander PHEV

[epikoros]

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/mit...desert-in-phev

[BruceandBobbi]

Yawn.

[DeeTee]

The driver looks excited...

[grumpmeister]

FFS what a load of old cods wallop, there would have been a full backup crew with 2nd vehicle etc incase of a failure, more advertising BS then a stud farm..

They're still spouting that zero emissions BS to boot, hrm wonder where electricity comes from here in AU..... OH that's right coal & gas fired power plants.... lets not forget all of that rare earth metals that are needed to manufacture the batteries and how much carbon is needed to run the mines that dig up those minerals and the coal that is needed.. but yeah we'll just keep training the sheep to follow the agenda.

[spot01]

Using a PHEV for that means it is almost 100% petrol powered for the whole trip. So it is simply a heavier & more expensive alternative to using a plain petrol powered Outlander. I suspect it would have used more petrol than a pure petrol car would have used, as they are much heavier.

The more serious problem caused by this nonsense, is that people will think that any AWD SUV can be taken out into The Simpson, resulting in more people getting into trouble & needing to be rescued, or worse. This driver is said to be very experienced & probably had a Triton full of gear trailing him! He also did it in April, when there may have been considerable moisture in the sand, making it much firmer than the hot, dry & very soft sand often found out there.

Unfortunately, before long, all cars & even 4WDs will be fitted with PHEV or Hybrid tech, which may be OK around town, but just adds weight, complexity & risk of problems when used in remote areas & off road conditions. Worse will follow when internal combustion engines are banned & only electric 4WDs are sold....................

[grumpmeister]

Spot same happened when the beemers etc came out, sales reps were telling buyers they would go anywhere, lots got caught out trying to cross the Daintree river, when asked what the heck they were doing their response was always 'the sales guy said they go anywhere". Lost count of the number we rescued from the middle of the river crossings on exercises up that way, even had one try gun barrel on the old telegraph track, wondered why everyone was laughing hard when he couldn't even get out the door as the electrics shorted out.

It's only going to get worse.

[OldEmmGee]

What a lot of old cynics!

Of course there would have been a support vehicle - but the point being made (seems to me) to be that the modern machines are capable of some adventure and not necessarily limited to being bitumen-babies.

Not all of us need (or want) a full off-road daily driver, so know your limits and choose and drive accordingly.

[Shopping Trolley]

What a lot of old cynics!

Of course there would have been a support vehicle - but the point being made (seems to me) to be that the modern machines are capable of some adventure and not necessarily limited to being bitumen-babies.

Not all of us need (or want) a full off-road daily driver, so know your limits and choose and drive accordingly.

Spot on OldEmmGee. We didn't listen to the dinosaurs that said a Pajero is not a real 4wd because it didn't have live axles.

“It can run the weekday commute on pure EV power, while also being capable of taking up to seven people away for a weekend of touring.” Take out the bit about the EV and it sounds very similar to the justification we have been using for owning Pajero's since 1981.

[Shopping Trolley]

FFS what a load of old cods wallop, there would have been a full backup crew with 2nd vehicle etc incase of a failure, more advertising BS then a stud farm..

They're still spouting that zero emissions BS to boot, hrm wonder where electricity comes from here in AU..... OH that's right coal & gas fired power plants.... lets not forget all of that rare earth metals that are needed to manufacture the batteries and how much carbon is needed to run the mines that dig up those minerals and the coal that is needed.. but yeah we'll just keep training the sheep to follow the agenda.

What is the difference in emissions per km for an electric vehicle in Australia compared to an ICE? I see plenty on this forum raise this point but no one has put a figure on it.

How does the mining of rare earths compare to drilling for oil.

From the information I have seen, the sheep following the agenda are the ones who complain about EVs.

[BruceandBobbi]

Spot on OldEmmGee. We didn't listen to the dinosaurs that said a Pajero is not a real 4wd because it didn't have live axles.

“It can run the weekday commute on pure EV power, while also being capable of taking up to seven people away for a weekend of touring.” Take out the bit about the EV and it sounds very similar to the justification we have been using for owning Pajero's since 1981.

From MM webpage The Outlander PHEV has room for five passengers and additional space for all of your gear.

Even five people and ALL their gear. Seriously?

As I said.

Yawn.

[Dicko1]

I never complained about the EV at all just stated the facts that are NEVER mentioned in the EV publicity material or advertising, would love to see the actual facts about the carbon footprint of the manufacture from the ground up, but it's usually biased to meet the sales agenda for these vehicles as is the data for oil burners (petrol & Diesel)

Volvo did a side by side comparison on two of their vehicles which were identical aside from one being oil burner and the other EV.... The oil burner was more cost & carbon efficient by almost 2/3rds or 66%.. The carbon footprint for production of the batteries and associated infrastructure is far more intensive then that of existing oil production where the infrastructure has existed for centuries, the batteries life span vs cost is insufficient at best (yes they are getting better but no where near equitable), batteries require vast amounts of rare earth materials, they're called rare for a reason....

While the pure EV might eventually be able to fully replace long distance travelling country 4x4 vehicles in the near term the hybrid will most likely be the replacement, but this will be a centuries long road to get off oil and see full EV's get even 10% of the efficiencies current oil burners get when it comes to large distance heavy towing like we do here in AU.

The phasing out of ICE vehicles has seen major car companies also setting targets to go fully electric, including Jaguar Land Rover (2025), Volvo (2030), Mazda (2030), Ford in Europe (2030), Nissan (early 2030s), GM (2035), Daimler (2039), and Honda (2040). i,LL GUARANTEE SOME OF THESE DATES WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD IN ORDER TO CAPTURE THE MARKET These companies know so much more about the future of EV than anyone on this forum..we are merely consumers who will be told what we can and cant have. Like it or lump it. Plenty of dinosaus out there who really have trouble adapting to change.

[Shopping Trolley]

From MM webpage The Outlander PHEV has room for five passengers and additional space for all of your gear.

Even five people and ALL their gear. Seriously?

As I said.

Yawn.

That was the quote from the Managing Director in the article. He might know something we don't, or more likely he is misrepresenting his product like car salesman do.

The Outlander is not much smaller than the Pajero Sport. Depends on the 5 people and how much "All their gear" is.

[disco stu]

According to John Cadogans figures, electric car only starts getting ahead in emissions after about 120 000km, compared to equivelent ICE car. below that they are worse than ICE. So not exactly the figures you're looking for, but still along the lines of what you wanted Shopping Trolley, I hope.

At present it seems the battery life of electric cars isn't exceeding the 120 000km needed for them to break even on emissions, or this was the issue with certain brands that led to his video on the problem, and the replacement battery for the car being almost as much as the cars original price, so it just encouraged people to buy a new car which then completely defeated the point of having electric cars in the first place.

He did have another video where he showed that the actual emissions reduction of electric cars was around 20% over vehicle lifespan, nowhere near as massive as what is made out. He said we could reduce our current emissions by 20% without much effort, save our money etc.

As much as the guy can be a schmuck, he does know his stuff. He is an engineer after all. On climate change he is also a true believer, so its not like he is anti climate change solutions etc etc. He just really seems to hate BS and marketing rubbish

[Shopping Trolley]

Volvo are also guilty of bias in their report although they are more transparent and quote the sources. 200,000km for the life of the vehicle seems a bit short to me.

EVs already get better economy than ICE vehicle. Also not many people in Australia actually do the large distance heavy towing as a percentage of the population.

[Shopping Trolley]

According to John Cadogans figures, electric car only starts getting ahead in emissions after about 120 000km, compared to equivelent ICE car. below that they are worse than ICE. So not exactly the figures you're looking for, but still along the lines of what you wanted Shopping Trolley, I hope.

At present it seems the battery life of electric cars isn't exceeding the 120 000km needed for them to break even on emissions, or this was the issue with certain brands that led to his video on the problem, and the replacement battery for the car being almost as much as the cars original price, so it just encouraged people to buy a new car which then completely defeated the point of having electric cars in the first place.

He did have another video where he showed that the actual emissions reduction of electric cars was around 20% over vehicle lifespan, nowhere near as massive as what is made out. He said we could reduce our current emissions by 20% without much effort, save our money etc.

As much as the guy can be a schmuck, he does know his stuff. He is an engineer after all. On climate change he is also a true believer, so its not like he is anti climate change solutions etc etc. He just really seems to hate BS and marketing rubbish

John Cadogan is not really my go to for facts but at least there are some figures.

The part I can't find much information on, and probably won't, is the emissions involved in getting the oil out of the ground, refined and transported to my local petrol station. It's not that Americans, Russians, Saudis, Chinese, etc industries and governments are the most honest and trustworthy.